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Thursday, January 24, 2013

CAMPAIGN : ScLogging a dead horse - CS v Fannies...

ScLogging a dead horse?
 - CS v  Fannies...
THEY came not to PAY 
& "WE are THE CLUB..
dont complain = CAMPAIGN!!

Shanks wrote in his autobiography that he got "sick of arguing & fighting" within his club.. 

sometimes I feel like this.. when a situation is so obvious (like when we all  knew that the USA lied over Kennedy assasination) but some people just wont admit it...

I keep saying "dont complain ; CAMPAIGN.."

but.. read on and maybe, just maybe you will agree...or not ;)





ChRiS> I spit on Henry for what he did to a man of honour Lfc should never just be only about winning we deserve better and so did Kenny..I shouldnt have to explain that to YOU, REdS, the biggest problem with our fans is a lack of belief ... scousers are great people, but it took Shanks to make our club a global entity, the spirit was eroded..especially after heysel and Hillsborough.

. ... and the wrong pppl made decisions about our club... and now this defeatist sheep-like attitude breeds apathy within and without our club.. Kenny was brought back by Rafa, that was a great basis, of a proper dynasty that could last ...they brought in 25 top international class young kids local and from abroad.. Ian knows FA about what u can do, in admin, as a supporters/community owned club, we should ignore the failure of SoS-shareLfc which came together 2 years after I advised them to combine... 

... have u ever managed a joint venture or international network.. ? have you ? this " little englander" mentality that limited our club so often and never matched the Vision of Shanks off field that he had within the game.. we are our own worst enemies.

.... something has been profoundly wrong since even before Moores sold us out to the first lot of yankers! ..a disaster chain; , Moores-parry-Hicks-broughton-purslow-hodgson-the terrible way they removed Kenny...

 F S G appointing a coach who hasnt won anything,,,the dempsey affair, Andy loaned out without striker cover, Henry snubbed memorial, igonored Rafa, let Ince go then offer 6 million? .. Rafa & Kenny brought 25 top class kids into Accadeny and FSG decisions are ruining that legacy by selling badly and buying badly

..the myth of Henry's "acumen" destroyed by his 50% losses in the USA financial market .. poodle Ayre & (media-man) Werner who also knows "FA" about our culture,  bringing in Warrior who employ a cockney rapper to voiceover a slogan that is opposite to our "play football" culture.. and still so many fans thing footy is a video game.

.. we are carrying FSG not the other way round.. we have over 7 million fans worldwide, and without winning the league since 2o years STILL in the top 10 richest clubs... does anyone get it????..WE shoudl own the club because it is FANS money, not "owners" that keep it afloat,

,,.. LFc has been mis-managed in the boardroom since decades... we have to take it over, we can raise 200-300 million through global share offering , and employ PROPER professionals in the office and bring back Kenny & Rafa on the footy side.. REcreate a strong "boot room" who are OUR people.. these 2 live in Liverpool and are wasted by yankers!! 

..Kenny & Steve could have had the same relation as Bob paisley and Kenny had when Kenny became manager in the 80's or even with BR under Kenny. why shoudl we pay for "buck" to earn his experience ? we are a global club, not portsmouth or swansea....FFS! at least if we had (local) "bankers" in our club we have a chance to question their actions , rather than remote "yankers" who aer just draining cash...wake up ppl!! ..oh and anyone mentioned that Henry & co back geo.w***Ker Bush's election campaign...?? never mind eh? enough ???? or do want more reasons that FSG should go

 ....(well they will go when Henry's empire crashes).. the important thing is to legally seperate our club from them a.s.a.p!!! SoS have funds we put in, a legal injunction now could save our club.. please wake up !!!

 the "debt" was a virtual one made by G & H / Moores.. not our club.. they didnt (even) pay 200 million there is no record of such money transfer by Henry & co... NESV (F S G) used Anfield & Melwood as banking credit (not their own collateral) and have since taken their "investment" back out!!!! the whole show was a sham, the same broker involved with Henry as who brought in Gillet? .. YES we do believe (those of us who supported this club since the days of Shanks, all over europe, on the terraces and through good and bad times.. we dont think we do - WE KNOW WE ARE THE CLUB= and  FSG clones would have to be kicked out first 

...along with their (failed ) financial system of capitalist exploitation of clubs like ours and supporters who spend every penny on our club WE made the songs , we carried the banners, bought the kit ,scarves & paid the ticket prices that went from less than 1 up to 50 pounds during my time!.. YES we do ... because without us there is NO LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.. we got G & H out - and WE will get Henry & co OUT , just watch us!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=380884972006640 we will bring back Kenny & Rafa and employ professional management , who dont kiss F S G or other yanker a**es!




ChRiS> now the fannie "response"


Ian Kewin > Idiot!! 
 People like you would bankrupt the club in a year guaranteed. Hostile is all you are and brainless.





ChRiS>  


I spit on Henry for what he did to a man of honour Lfc should never just be only about winning we deserve better and so did Kenny..I shouldnt have to explain that to YOU,REdS, the biggest problem with our fans is a lack of belief scousers are great people, but it took Shanks to make our club a global entity, the spirit was eroded..especially after heysel and Hillsborough. 

. and the wrong pppl made decisions about our club... and now this defeatist sheep-like attitude breeds apathy within and without our club.. Kenny was brought back by Rafa, that was a great basis, of a proper dynasty that could last ...they brought in 25 top international class young kids local and from abroad.. Ian knows FA about what u can do, in admin, as a supporters/community owned club, we should ignore the failure of SoS-SshareLfc which came together 2 years after I advised them to combine... <snip ; see above>





ChRiS
Ian, that clever "response" of yours ! wow , just proves how "educated" YOU are?? ha ha 

.. the club WAS made "bankrupt by people like YOU!" "money people"like G & H who loaded us with debt.. 
& mismanaged OUR CLUB! anyone who has managed an international enterprise of any worth would be shocked by the methods applied to Lfc  
(or rather not applied) 



In what other "business" would a "global name" with several million captured customers sell its self so cheaply???



 ..note the word CLUB., Ian, .. look it up and teach yourself SOMEthing at least! hold on, as your lazy response indicates u may be too "clever"
 to do that, i will copy it here for you... 

"A club is an association of two or more people united by a common interest or goal. 
A service club, for example, exists for voluntary or charitable activities; there are clubs devoted to hobbies and sports, 

social activities clubs, political and religious clubs, and so forth." 

 i am so happy that i am not as "educated" as you are... i prefer the "FenwayWeComeNotToPay truth"  o
ver the "prawn sandwich" brigade!  for the "uneducated" .... go to .... https://www.facebook.com/FenwayWeComeNotToPay


Ian Kewin > Like I said. Hostile idiot!

How was Man Utd purchased? Look it up yourself. And where are Man Utd now? On top! It is about how you do things not about what you do! The Glazers do well out of Utd but they still fund players. David Moores sold Liverpool football club because he could not afford to invest the required funds in it. He sold the club down the river not people like, however people like you frighten away the Arab billionaires by demanding anyone coming in risks the club and themselves to satisfy hostile fan demand. Hostile fans who thrive on hating yanks and not on supporting the team.


Linda Chivall-Robinson > I am sorry to say it Chris but in my opinion Kenny was not a very good manager. He appeared at a crucial time to steady the Club and for that I am grateful. A brilliant player but not a good manager. With regard to finances, I still say that our Club was saved from bankruptcy at the last minute. I am willing to give Brendan at least another year. They are starting to play Football which is similar to our great teams of the seventies and eighties. I think they are right to try to cap players' wagers. That is what is wrong with the game. The greed of the players. Someone has to put their foot down and I am glad that our Club is at least trying to do something about it. They will not be blackmailed either which is why we did not pursue our purchase of certain players. I know you are passionate about our Club, all Liverpool supporters are but we have to be realistic. Nowadays more than ever the Football Industry is a business, and for anyone to risk their money and to try to create stability in our Club I am grateful for. The previous lot actually borrowed money to buy our Club. We are better off without them. Give them another year and then talk again. We are going around in circles with you with regard to our opinions. I believe in your passion but I think you need to take a deep breath, step back and give them a chance.


Ian Kewin > Could not have put it better Linda. Well said. These youngsters have much to learn lol



ChRiS
 Ian , I support the team, always , and I dont have to answer to a fool like you.. u call me hostile yet its you throwing the insults around, I know there are a lot of LFc fans.. who cant admit they have been fooled twice .. In a way i agree about Moore's action being selfish and short-sighted.. he would have raised more money , even for himself. over time if he had made a private share issue .. with our global fan base being as big as any.. .. u dont know my relationship with Arab billionaires so that is another "smart comment" by you eh? .. Linda, if u think that a man like Kenny who gave everything to this club, who was not only a legendary player, but won our first double in his first season as manager, and won the football league twice more, and the Premiership with Blackburn, deserved to be sacked after one full season of a 3 year contact, just a couple of months after Henry & Werner gave him a "vote of confidence" then u should be ashamed.!!!!! . Kenny deserved more loyalty form us, what he did as a player, as a manager and as a man, for the club & the Liverpool community , he attended all those funerals , Marina too, Kenny put the griief of 96 families before himself and his own family and career, who arguably saved us from a religation-headed Hodgson... and Ian , thanks for calling me a youngster, if i was,  I would call you outside!



ChRiS
 and just because the Mancs so something, thats hardly a comparison, if we had won their trophies in the last 20 years we would have double the fans...but our club is not just about money or success, its also about dignity and spirit , of which neither of you seem to have!


 p.s. as for "reality" Fenway are in debt, Henry's empire is in freefall, check the USA financial news.. we have "management" which are remote and clueless about football & decision making is a catastrophe! ..some stability? dont make me laugh!

....they have had 2 years ..thats more than they gave Kenny and they didnt even give Rafa, one of the best tacticians in european football, an interview... but ok,  keep on kissing their backsides... without any logic at all! when u have some back up for your reasons let me know , because right now neither you or Ian have given me any logical reason to have faith in the bunch of liars frauds & cheats that are F S G !

LInda>
The only people who would own the Club would be Bankers. They would sell our best players because they would see it was the financial thing to do. Whereas Kenny was a brilliant footballer, I do not believe that he has the heart to be a manager. 


Drake Richards>  FSG might have saved us from admin but they didnt do so because they are warm hearted philanthropists.. 
..You have to remember they bought one of the biggest names and 'brands ' in world football for a Poundland price. 
.So far they have invested very little..Nando Torres bankrolled most of Kenny's outlay

.You can't treat a man of Dalglish's stature like he was treated.
His bond to the club goes much deeper than any achievements as a player or manager

Ian Kewin > Behave drake, £300 million is not a poundland price you. 
You talk like Liverpool was the wealthiest club in the bloody world when they bough it. 
Understand, the previous owners agreed to buy the club from Moores for £245 million. 

I don't know where you base your financial value of the club you are just bandwagonning on the back of the clubs name.
 Do your homework and speak sensibly and in realistic terms and try to understand what you are talking about before shouting off. 
Torres did not bank roll the £58 million Kenny Dalgish spent in August 2011,  
he bankrolled the purchases of Carroll and Suarez in the previous transfer window in the January. 
 Again you are spouting about things you are wildly inaccurate in your understanding of.

 And no-one buys a world brand for love, you are talking dumb, 
the club whether you like it or not is a business not a social club for under educated fans who think  
just because they support the club they have the right to run it!!!!!



ChRiS
 I spit on Henry for what he did to a man of honour Lfc should never just be only about winning we deserve better and so did Kenny..I shouldnt have to explain that to YOU, Linda, the biggest problem with our fans is a lack of belief <snip> 
 Ian, the "debt" was a virtual one made by G & H / Moores.. not our club.. they didnt (even) pay 200 million there is no record of such money transfer by Henry & co... NESV (F S G) used Anfield & Melwood as banking credit (not their own collateral) and have since taken their "investment" back out!!!! the whole show was a sham, the same broker involved with Henry as who brought in Gillet? .. YES IAN we do believe (those of us who supported this club since the days of Shanks, all over europe, on the terraces and through good and bad times.. we dont think we do - WE KNOW WE ARE THE CLUB= and U are the sort of FSG clone that I would kick out ...along with your financial system of capitalist exploitation of clubs like ours and supporters who spend every penny on our club WE made the songs , we carried the banners, bought the kit ,scarves & paid the ticket prices that went from less than 1 up to 50 pounds during my time!.. YES we do ... because without us there is NO LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB.. we got G & H out - and WE will get Henry & co OUT , just watch us!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=380884972006640 we will bring back Kenny & Rafa and employ professional management , who dont kiss F S G or other yanker a**es!


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23 Jan 1900 the battle of Spion Kop in the 2nd Boer War started - it would later be the name for a mound of earth behind a goal at Anfield!

Linda Chivall-Robinson>

    Southampton £10.2m bid for Coutinho is accepted by Inter
    According to the Daily Mail, Southampton have leapfrogged Liverpool in the race to sign Philippe Coutinho from Inter Milan after having a £10.2million bid accepted for the midfielder.

    LFC had a £6.3m offer rejected for the Brazilian last Friday and have improved that bid to £8m.
    They will now have to match Southampton's package to stand a chance of luring Coutinho to Merseyside....

    Why do they choose to go to Southampton? Cannot understand this. He hasn't signed yet.
   
        
ChRiS
 too expensive!

        
        Linda Chivall-Robinson>  Last I heard it was now £9m?!
       
        ChRiS madness!
        10 hours ago · Like
        George Delovino Raimondi > Playing time... I like the kid on Fifa 2013 for xbox... I hope we match
        
        Drake Richards > not sure this guy is worth the money but if we are getting out bid and muscled out financially by Southhampton something is profoundly wrong
      
        ChRiS Drake.. something has been profoundly wrong since even before Moores sold us out to the first lot of yankers! ..a disaster chain, Moores-parry-Hicks-broughton-purslow-hodgson

-the terrible way they removed Kenny 
appointing a coach who hasnt won anything,,,
the dempsey affair, 
Andy loaned out without striker cover, 
Henry snubbed memorial,
 ignored Rafa, 
let Ince go then offer 6 million? 

.. Rafa & Kenny brought 25 top class kids into Accademy and FSG decisions are ruining that legacy by selling badly and buying badly..the myth of Henrys "acumen" destropyed by his 50% losses in the USA financial market

 .. poodle Ayre & Werner who also knows "FA" about our culture bringing in Warrior who employ a cockney rapper to voiceover a slogan that is opposite to our "play football" culture.. and still so many fans thing footy is a video game... we are carrying FSG not the other way round.. we have over 7 million fans worldwide, and without winning the league since 2o years STILL in the top 10 richest clubs

... does anyone get it..WE shoudl own the club because its FANS money, not "owners" that keep it afloat,,,.. LFc has been mis-mamaged in the boardroom sinec decades... we have to take it over, we can raise 200-300 million through global share offering , and employ PROPER professionals in the office and bring back Kenny & Rafa on the footy side.. REcreate a strong "boot room" who are OUR people.. these 2 live in Liverpool and are wasted by yankers!! ...FFS!

"Liverpool fans will leaflet supporters at Wednesday's game against Arsenal in protest at the Gunners' policy of charging £62 for away tickets."



    Ian Kewin>  I doubt Arsenal would appreciate it lol


    
    Linda Chivall-Robinson> Ian, what do Liverpool charge visiting supporters? I have no idea nowadays.
    
    Ian Kewin>  About £40 i believe .
    
    Linda Chivall-Robinson>  It is still a lot but not as bad as Arsenal. I think away fans are brilliant. We used to travel to all the away games. You got herded like cattle at some grounds. I am too old to go now, but used to love it.
    
    Ian Kewin > You are never too old Linda, you are still young by todays standards.
    
    Linda Chivall-Robinson > Bless you. the spirit is willing etc.........!
    
 Mind you I did go and watch our U18 and U16 teams play against Crystal Palace at the end of last year. I had just come out of hospital after a knee op. but I stood between the two pitches and watched both games at once. Took me back to Melwood days when you could just walk in and watch the A and B teams play.


    
    ChRiS good idea by SoS but they ought to be campaigning against FSG too..https://www.facebook.com/FenwayWeComeNotToPay
    Fenway. We Come Not To Pay 
 (Gillett and Hicks nearly put this club in adminstration and bankrupcy. )


    
    Linda Chivall-Robinson > Fenway did stop our Club going bankrupt. We could have ended up like Glasgow Rangers. I will still give them time.
    
    ChRiS Linda, no they didnt ,if we had gone into admin, supporters and Liverpool community could have taken over the club, and NOT had any "owners" (they dont love uis, its just "business" ..Henry's empire is crumbling and will sink us with him if we dont get them out).. it was a complete smokescreen.. they used Anfield and Melwood to obtain bank credit, have made no new investment.(sellling players more than buying) .We have MASSIVE income from shirts, tv global sales, and sponsors.. and so on..they sacked Kenny, (for that i spit on them..) snubbed Rafa, ignored hillsborough memorial..what makes u think they deserve "time" ..please check out the group and then tell me why u want them in our club...we should take it over..they just use OUR money, with 7 million fans worldwide there is enough income to support our club IF managed properly.. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=380884972006640

Ian Kewin>  Chris you are talking out of your hat.

Linda Chivall-Robinson> That was the telling statement 'If managed properly.' Who would you appoint to manage the Club?
Linda Chivall-Robinson One thing I do agree with is their attempt to get the wage bill down. It is ludicrous. We had the same problem when Souness took over from Dalglish. The wages were too high and a lot of the players were quite old. Souness inherited that. I am glad that they are trying to get the Club onto a more stable financial footing.



ChRiS
 ian,, that is a really deep response, u got me, I cant cope with such intellect!
... do u know that Henrys financial empire has lost half its investments in recent years.. why are there so many ppl fooled just because they cant accept that they are fooled twice first G & H and then F S G...
... I want them out , if only.. for the simple way they treated Kenny, WE owe Kenny for what he did for us, our club and the community... to give him a 3 year contract and break it after one full season??.,just shows they are sh&te! ..argue with that??



Linda, I would bring Kenny and Rafa back for the football and proper executives to manage promotion and marketing via supporters distribution outlets worldwide of our "LIVERBIRD" brand..any "business" with 7 million "captured" customers..shouldbe in profit..add Tv etc, etc tickets, etc etc..but WE should own the club not them..

...a supporter share via private distribution organised by our club properly could raise 200-300 million itself.. then theres ex players and celebrity fans that would join us..

Ian Kewin > Have you seen how difficult it is to have the supporters take over a club?? Look at Pompey and learn something about the reality of administration and it's true implications before coming up with hypothetical arguments!! The courts have a big say what happens not the supporters. Lol

ChRiS
how can u compare pompey (with a uk based following with OUR CLUB?? u seem to have their small miinded approach..and would rather have yankers exploiting our global image than supporters, u dont make e


F S G didnt get involved because they run a charity, they wanted to get their fingers in our global pie..





SEAN
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Finally the penny has dropped. People are now starting to realize that Liverpool Football Club is doing nothin under the grasp of the Yanks. They are limited us in every way. Spread the word, join the page, check out our youtube account. (seanoc)

ChRiS
. We Come Not To Pay > tell the truth,when YOU KNOW we are right, thats how Shanks taught us.. (CS) would u be "loyal" to a nazi government IF the cabbages had won WW2??

they tried to block this several times, audio backing has been blocked..but if you WANT to, you will "get the picture" :) (CS) 
audio deleted I'll try to get over their "blocks"..
ChriS SmiTH> "Redmen" is for Locals = REdNET is for global..REDS!

Scott Morrice> Why limit it to Champions League football? What with a non Champions league place team going to win the Carling Cup, qualifying for any form of European Competition via the league could be hard. I think he will be Falcao's replacement at Atletico or possibly go to Juventus

ChRiS
. We Come Not To Pay > PLEASE note; this is not a speculation-discussion forum, this group is for anti-FSG actions and relevant info, JOIN THE CAMPAIGN!! (CS)

SEAN> Fenway. We Come Not To Pay chris, this post is relevant to the group BECAUSE fenway are dragging this club down... and we wont qualify for champ league and therefore will lose players if we dont get these yanks out
(seanoc)



ChRiS
. We Come Not To Pay just have to avoid this forum being distracted into YET another "transfer chat place" there is already too much chat by fans and not enough ACTion..mate (CS)

Scott Morrice> Surely though transfers are relevant in terms of FSG strategy for Liverpool. What's the policy, buy exciting young. Sounds good but its flawed. Because at the end of the day, it is about FSG not spending money and properly investing in team. If they wanted the best young talent, they would buy players like Neymar, Muniain and not worry about the price. Instead, they jus want the cheap option of investing in a player HOPING they come good

ChRiS
. We Come Not To Pay Scott ok, got u, but...theres a difference between discussing the whole of the F S G "strategy" (which is almost a contradiction in terms, as they dont understand footym our culture, or indeed arent the "financial wizards" that was claimed when "saving us from the previous yankers) what I mean to say is lets not get too much into spending time on opinions about players and distract ourselves from REAL action (rarther than online "chat") ..how many of you are joining the poster campaign, wearing "we are the club" t-shirts, boycotting official shops... protesting at games- THAT is surely the aim of this group! (CS)..
BR is making fans "PR" ,... probably agreed the "script" with Henry.. because they see that fans are gettimg impatient with Br too.. dont be fooled by PR-opaganda.. JOIN THE CAMPAIGN!! (CS)



are U with us??

ChRiS
yes, I am in one of those moods today, BBC report that USA will allow their fee-male soldiers to fight at the front line, 



GREAT!, I would like in fact to volunteer a lot of modern feemales to go forward in the front line, modern women...

...seem PERFECTLY suited for battle, in my experience....and for little else.. :) (they have lost their femininity)
then that C*nt Cameron comes on and talks about "AL's kayed Her" and their "franchises" ...ha ha ha..
eh IDIOT! stop bullsh*tting the people..the people who are p*ssed off around the world dont have a common network
they have a common enemy ; the system which is suffoxating us all, making ppl slaves to commerce, and polluting the air y-our children breathe"!
YOU TW*T! ...!! (oops he actually used the word "intelligence" when talking about the people at DAVOS G8 (is that EIGHT GITS?)  summitt..

you are all corrupt a**holes! and yet the SHEEPLE give u power u dont deserve!! what a load of CRAP....politicians exchanging BS! and the 
mainstream media waste your time broadcasting their manure...


2000 years of "civilization" /....dont make me laugh...  a handful of aboriginees & natives in the amazon 
jungle have more wisdom than all those in DAVOS combined..




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Friday, January 18, 2013

CAMPAIGN "WE are the CLUB" (F S G are NOT!)


The POOL of LIFE ..covered in.......MiSt...!
19th January ...
Its been a special time, launched the REdNET v F S G campaign, (in Bg & UE..) .. ("We are the CLuB, came not to PAY") /... promoting
"MontY - Logic (charitable) CLUB and the " within wires - withOUT frontiers" ... friendship weekend.. and the last 48 hrs just catching a few hrs rest in between...


... the mess in this world is fed by the apathy of the people,and writing and talking about it is just "mass-debating" ..take responsibility !


THIS CAMPAIGN, is more than a "protest" concerning football, even though this game affects more than half the people of this planet

I hope that you see , as the man who built the basis of our global entity ; Bill Shankly , did...that this is "much more important" even than life & death, because this is about y-our SOUL..and if you want it to SOLD in the "FanChise" ... If u are a TRUE REd or not...do u see the mess this world is in, and that if u dont make a stand now...all the thinks that made you feel good, (that u did NOT "buy") will be GONE FOREVER



so please join the friendship weekend, and bring yr (own) team too www.facebook.com/groups/without.frontiers.ue

some "fans" critics or enemies will criticise, as "unrealistic" ..but IS "real" in a world of "virtual reality" political corruption, false media and liars - and YOU KNOW them!!

The "Freedom PR" (Petar B) Told us that last game of the season is of the local league scheduled for 27th of May! so the dates proposed for the BEST , most FRIENDLY REdS meeting in EuRopE (outside of Liverpool) is  proposed 31 may->2 June, with extension days for those who wish to stay and...enjoy this beautiful region..(& after the friendship party....make more friends.. with nature!) can stay for more days with us...(Zlatibor/Mocra Gora & more) :) thanks to Tijana for obtaining special low costs for our guests.
 
CS&Ivan> Interim programme;

- friday;  31 may ; welcome party,
- saturday; 1 June ; main event & grill party ;
- sunday 2nd June final day

& extra activities for those who stay ..!


The tournament is for the whole of Serbia, Balkan and Europe , with Invited guests from Belgium, Holland, England

Flash Media coverage, news, sports journal, First Tv, B92, several representative groups of Europe's big clubs ...Friendship fan clubs and fans, showing the true image of Serbia, the Serbian fans in the European media (after Krusevca)

Humanitarian Benefit (All money raised goes to children who need help)

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From  <campaign@ursun


Get the cr*p sponsors OFF....
   
Subject:  Milan & Milica (Miteks) REdS Supproters (kit)

OFF our kids shirts!!
ref; Supporters kit - for global REdS Network..

 source is  a reliable supplier of sport clothes specifically related to our CLUb and Culture -  our global "Campaign" is to provide a value for money items that bear OUR "LiverBIrD" .. (this is the mythical symbol of the Liverpool community , which is adopted by the club, but "promoted" by our members global activity)

there shall be NO "sponsors" or commercial logos on our supporters to supporters (not for profit) kit,

starting with 5 items

1) a simple t-shirt low - cost
2) a polo shirt - nice style
3) a "retro" shirt 4) a plain but stylish winter (woolly) hat and in summer a summer cap.
5) a "Global REdS" (WE are the CLUB) LiVeRbIrD scarf..

will be a further launchpad of our supporter "campaign" for ownership of our club..



 

CREdS / CSer / Team / committee / member NOTES 

 
REdS v F-WAY
 
discussions from FBers CREdS, BREdS & other Net connections 

(WARNING: mass-debating can be BAD for you!..too!) ;) 

https://www.facebook.com/FenwayWeComeNotToPay





WAKE up LFC "fans" !!!

F-WAY>Times confirm Assaidi to be shown the door out of lfc.


Sean> this club is a fooking joke if that is the case. they bought this guy during the summer and like most of our recent signings, only lasts one season. (not even that???)

    Nathalie Abu Kheit and McDick Head like this.
      Fenway. We Come Not To Pay Rodgers has no clue about the kind of player needed no more than he has tactics on the pitch..........................all of his 'signings' have been wasteful
        F-way>. We Come Not To Pay this is the same shite with Hodgson, Dalglish and now Rodgers... under Fenway.. there is no direction. they havent a clue and they need to sell the club before they run it further into the ground

    Chris (East-west Invest )  Ursun>  NO , WE need to take it over , otherwise we will just go from one "owner" to "another" and go down the drain...its OUR money that funds their "fanchise" ..its OUR CLUB, start believing it!
    (n.b. Kenny deserved , for reasons I shouldn'h have to explain, to see his full 3 year contract to the end..*& bring Rafa back)


F-way. >We Come Not To Pay >Yesterday Ian Ayre comments on Liverpool's transfer strategy www.koptalk.co.uk

    F-way.> We Come Not To Pay> Talk is cheap and coming from him, means little!

Sunday


IN
Fabio Borini AS Roma £10,400,000 13.07.2012
Joe Allen Swansea City £15,000,000 10.08.2012
Oussama Assaidi Heerenveen £3,000,000 17.08.2012
Nuri Sahin Real Madrid On Loan 25.08.2012
Samed Yesil Bayer Leverkusen £1,000,000 30.08.2012

Michael McColl > nevermind
     9:54pm    F-way>.  ive just mailed u
    Yesterday at 12:06am · Like.

F-way. (We Come Not To Pay) Sunday
Liverpool FC Ins and Outs under FSG / NESV
www.thisisanfield.com
Following the deadline day debacle, much discussion has now opened around FSG's financial strategy placed upon Liverpool


Francis Lawton>    I have it on 100% 'Real McCoy' from the 'horses mouth' good authority that BRENDAN RODGERS 'nick name' among the playing squad at LFC is ... DAVID BRENT !!! ( The Ricky Gervais character from the OFFICE !! ) lol !!! Apparently, BRENDAN often goes off on one at Melwood with all the cliches..like .." There's no 'I ' in the word Team lads !! lol I'm not happy to hear this to be honest. Apparently the young players take the piss out of him behind his back. A manager should have 100% respect and a certain amount of fear from his players. One of the players told me and there's no way I'll reveal who it was, other than to say he's a 1st team regular.. As I say, I wasn't happy to hear this....
   
        F-way>( We Come Not To Pay ) If that is true, its a result of allowing Yankers to ruin our club, fans are as much to blame as anyone, for thinking that money solves everything..and for not defending Rafa and Kenny better! (CS) ..join the "poster campaign" and stop fans from moaning, get them to be active and get FSG out like we did with G & H!!!

Ione Di Freitas> Very good :)))'> Confirmed: Liverpool have agreed to meet with Ajax 23 year old attacking midfielder Siem De Jong later this week for contract talks, according to Ajax chairman Hennie Henrichs in a interview with Dutch paper Telesport.
(D.D) ?(P.M.) by: Hillsborough 1989 - Don't Ever Forget


ChriS SmiTH> really?? why another "squad player" when we have already a good basis of senior players and thanks to Rafa & kenny a lot of youth coming through to add to the "squad players" we already have with another? IF WE spend OUR money (its not FSG because they have invested NOTHING) on players its better to have ONE special world class than another 2 or 3
"squad level"..

.........well why waste our time with the comments of Ayre?/.everyone with intelligence knows that he is a commercial puppet..he didnt stand up for Rafa or Kenny.. nor the supporters buy out when G & H were being forced out by us.. i dont believe a word that comes out of henry, werner  ayre or any office employee of F S G ..they only care about money.. and dont understand what our club is about..and BR  was the wrong choice, he is out of his depth and why should we pay him to educate himself to get a level Rafa was at, when Benitez was forced out... the fans are as much to blame for the apathy as the yankers.. join the"we came not to PAY" (WE are the club")  poster campaign and get FSG out..(CS)

F-way > (. We Come Not To Pay · ) >    LIVERPOOL FC have adopted a new approach to players’ contracts with lower basic salaries and more performance-related bonuses.The Reds have been stung in recent years by the kind of lucrative deals handed out to flops like Joe Cole and Alberto Aquilani.( CS> btw AA was not  a"flop" he was loaned out just after becoming fit and in form under Rafa, by Purslow/Hodgson, who preferred Poulsen etc..)Now contracts are being structured in a different way to ensure there is a greater incentive to be a success at Anfield.MD Ian Ayre said: “The attitude I’m trying to put forward when we’re negotiating with agents is that we want to do a contract which is fair for both sides. Ian Ayre - why Liverpool FC's youth policy is right for transfers“Fair often means the right amount of reward for a player who delivers. Everyone we bring through the door we expect to perform and and do the best they can. As long as any player does that they should be rewarded for it.“I’m not one of those who subscribes to the idea that players are necessarily overpaid. I think they make a huge contribution to the biggest league in the world.“From the football club’s perspective, our view has to be that people are rewarded for contributing towards what we achieve. As long as contracts are structured in that way then everyone wins.“If a player performs then he will be rewarded. That’s the philosophy of the contracts we are offering and signing.”Ayre admits there is “a bit of a legacy” when it comes to negotiating deals now with clubs and agents knowing what kind of inflated figures Liverpool have previously been willing to pay.“It’s a bit of a legacy we have to deal with as agents always seem to know what every player is earning and what every contract structure is,” he added. Liverpool FC will tackle agents' fees“But it’s not something that’s causing us too many problems. It doesn’t matter what has gone before, it’s about what’s happening now.“We have good relationships with the agents we are dealing with. I’ve found in the main most agents are prepared to listen and find the best solution for both sides.“Like any negotiation, if you give someone the opportunity to have it all their own way then they will. That’s not going to be the case here."We are being open, honest and fair in making it clear that the real reward comes from performance.”
    Read more: Liverpool Echo     http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2013/01/17/liverpool-fc-change-player-contracts-with-lower-pay-and-more-bonuses-to-try-and-avoid-expensive-flops-100252-32617808/#ixzz2IBIfQO3L     LIVERPOOL FC have adopted a new approach to players’ contracts with lower basic salaries and more performance-related bonuses.

   CS> well why waste our time with the comments of Ayre?/.everyone with intelligence knows that he is a commercial puppet..he didnt stand up for Rafa or Kenny.. nor the supporters buy out when G & H were being forced out by us.. i dont believe a word ,,,,,(etc)
                F-way. > We Come Not To Pay are they not all relevant and all part of the same sh*te that are keeping liverpool in the sh*it??? (seanoc)
                Francis Lawton >The £12M fee for Sturridge from Chelsea was secured with the balance still outstanding on the transfers of Torres £50M, Meireless £12M and Benayoun £5.5M from Liverpool to Chelsea. Therefore, LFC should be able to buy another player or 2, if FSG permit them to !!


         F-way.> ( We Come Not To Pay ) Francis we got rid of a shite load of players... Selling more than actually taking in, so we should be able to well afford players and we certainly at this stage shouldn't be dependent on the sale of Torres still (sean?)
                Francis Lawton> The balance still outstanding from Chelsea on the sale of those 3 players was around £15M ...That's why FSG did the business with Chelsea...It cost Fenway nothing !!! and with 2 more players on the way out FSG have cut the over heads once again....

                Mick Myers> I told you what these characters were about Frank when they took over.....Hedge fund managers who have no love for anything but their wallets
                Francis Lawton > Mick the Blue obsessed with Liverpool FC...God blimey Mick yer like a stalker a member of every LFC related site...It's really weird !! I knew you had an obsession with the Reds Mick but I didn't know it was this bad !!! Your a Blue Mick...what's the do with yer lad ??
                Mick Myers>  It came up on my newsfeed lad....thats the thing about facebook, you cant fart and they let everyone know.....it is true though.....i told you what these shower were about
        <snip>
                Gerard Kenny > it is a business to them Michael, as it is to any foreign owner...and will be the same if everton get a foreign owner. is that not correct ???...Name me one owner who had an affinity or connection with the club they purchased before it was bought. The main thing is how they conduct themselves once they become the owners.
        ChRiS> . (We come Not To Pay ) Mick, being right isnt enough is it?? we have to act, join the poster campaign ,MAKE it global..(its a disgrace that TRUE REdS abroad are doing more for our club than locals) lets do what we did with G & H , and NEXT time DONT let "owners" back in, it dont matter of they are foreign or english

 
..its the same problem, the financial system is failing no one is gonna stick money into a club without taking it out.. so the only way to protect OUR club is to take it over.. stop buying from officiual shop , stop feeding the monster thats chokign us, get the yankers OUT!!! (CS)

this group is to focus on removal of F S G.. otherwise its just hot air.. chatting about problems got into the mess with G & H... talk is cheap..FFs, soon Henry's "empire" will be in freefall.. and then fans will moaning that we didnt do anything. to save OUR CLUB. (CS)

Photo: Supplier sourced for "we are the club" t-shirts, and Supporter-to supporter "campaign" scarves caps etc .. expect to be on line within weeks and boycott off official shops made public in global media... Sean, we can make a video at the irish gathering in March, but the media may be chasing us before then!! ;)

F-WAY> Liverpool boss reiterates need for more players
www.koptalk.co.uk. well done dunk from koptalk.
        Chris>( East-west Invest)  Ursun > WE dont need "more players" ... just less Yankers" (CS)

F-WAY> Liverpool want Wesley Sneijder if he takes pay cut
www.koptalk.co.uk ,,,...They are dreaming, the current plan regarding club wages and deals just sucks.................nobody else with ambition in PL has considered this ridiculous notion. mb
        Chris> (East-west Invest) Ursun > the only "cut" I want is to CUT FSG away from OUR CLUB! (CS)

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see in box...
Red sections from antichris blog..
& answer (pathetic)...http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1457772-liverpool-fc-an-open-letter-to-manager-brendan-rodgers


 



ChRiS> Bring
your own team , with or without a "proper kit" ;)


Dobar Dan I. Ca .. I am looking forward to that, are u working @ "MG" again..? I plan to come to yr party next week.. (?) and stay some days _ i hope we can visit the kids charity and make plans .( https://www.facebook.com/groups/215413685262424/ ) . this is my "censored-edited " version of the last few days /... http://antichrismith.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-days-afterend-of-world-party.html

 
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CSerS & etc ..
Personal comments etc.Vanja F> Und jetzt eine Überraschung, und natürlich eine Arbeit die ich sehr liebe...? Time for Mr.Right. , at first one Shortcut...? (media-music)
    Vera Perovic> Andjeo lepi moj...
    Vanja F> Prijateljice moja, ti najbolje znas kako je lijepo u svijetu sa notama..
    11 januari om 23:52 ·  
    Sto mogu kad ih volim...
    Vera Perovic > Daaa i tebe draga moja vole mnogi mnogi..
     Chris > (Forb Dix)  I am "almost right" because I am often on the left ...vidimo se?
    Vanja F>  I hope one day you will be for one woman, very "Right"! Best wishes..
     Chris > Dix ha ha , Vanja, what will be , will be.. perhaps I am meant just to BE, u see? cuvaj se!
    een paar seconden geleden · Vind ik leuk
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13116 To "Dobar DaN I. :)

ChRiS> <snip>I would even protect my friend or "guest" and use my body as a "wall"  to protect someONE I "care" for...you!

My feeling of "responsibility" WAS "distracted" <snip> i shared and just wanted that u kept your promise to "be with me" (I didnt "calculate" any other detail) I am sure u are "chased" by many men.. I dont , but I do honestly tell you..<snip> than you will probably EVER know...you may never understand...but i always live in  hope...that you will...<SMILE> before i leave this mad planet..I want to pass to you my knowledge and abilities and with GOOD will we shall..make a "miracle".."love" is not a word..its badly used...too easily...but when trust between us is strong..you will know, and I hope.. <SMILE>
ChRiS
...p.s. within the project I will provide U with an email address "DaniS@"  <snip> and take time from now until september to think what can be done..in goodness and health for kids now and the future,,and when I am gone from this dimension..continue.............
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CS> "BEing Crazy....Continued ...The "days after"(end of the world) party .."new Now" , white city repair with Ms Harvey..
 and an UUUUUUUUEEEEE  new years party...with In & without (UE) Wires? ...it SHALL BE GOOD!! :) to Dj, "for your eyes only" this is a personal record of my life, only for any ONE who "cares" if you dont...dont read it.. I have not been "out" drinking more than once in the last month, so i have saved up some pocket money, so dont worry.... .
. we can maybe meet yr girlfriend later in the evening..
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M-L/CS
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Subject: CS13116 Vesna..take care,..,.
Hiya Vesna, I am back in Pg,
good to cu again, and meet yr friends Rada & Anna (?)

I had a really great time, in UE and I intend going back in spring or even before...with some "co-operative plans" ... :)  ... I notice the thread , with Matthias from NL asking about Balkans.. ..I dont say anything against him or his enquiries but my winter "in box" has been FULL of enquiries which seem like they ar being compiled for tourist guides and travel agents, MNE especially is being listed in national UK newspapers and other western countries as one of the "top hot spots" to visit in 2013...

obviously want to help "genuine" CSerS but i would suggest..just to "examine" the way people ask to see if its a real or reasonable request... but of course its your own time ..
take care/ cuvaj se! :)
ChRiS x


RESPONSE LINK: http://www.couchsurfing.org/send_message.html?id=M7A85TA&mid=16QTHCDSU&utm_campaign=message&utm_medium=email&utm_source=cs
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Sevilay Sezer > yes we went to skiing together last weekend. I red her blog she also wrote some about her stay with me we went out with my friends two nites and to hamam. i just got a message from her, i was thinking of coming to Istanbul whilst she was there but I didnt know..
its a bit cold here. but you are always welcome


ChRiS> i want to check cheap flights and find out how long Raz stays there... then I will contact U, if i can find host..c1ao for now..
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Subject: CS 13116 -> Raz Re: postcard

I have sent several messages, without reply, because I was considering coming to Istanbul if u are staying there for a while (are u still in contact with sevilay?) ..and have requested "friends" on yr FB account..too! :)
thanks for thinking about me, of course , u are welcome to stay here & if you are interested in our "house-telling" project and club events or just for gun , welcome to visit Podgorica.,.
POSTAL address; U.r.S.u.N c/o CS @ Tripa Kokolja 15
81000 Podgorica, Montenegro
take care
ChRiS x

NICRAZ wrote:
>Hi Chris
>>How you doing?
>>I have a pretty big stack of postcards here and one has your name on but no address . . . can you send me it so I can test the turkish-montenegran postal systems!
>>Cheers
>>Raz

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Subject: CS 13116 LIna Timo,Re: informacion
hello Lina, I suggest u write to DaniS@monty-logic-club.org or check the "balkan mafia" group on couchsurfing... as it seems u are constructing a tourist guide more than a visit....! :)
good luck
CS

Lina Timo wrote:
>Hello,
>
>On june our family will have a road to your country. Can you help me with informacion? About the road nr.9. Is it nice view to go by this road? Do you recommend to go by this road from Macedonia to BIOGRADSKA national park? Do you have some maps national parks of Biogradska gora or Durmitor? And informacion about them?
>Can you writte the prices of diesel? Where it is the best: Albania, Makedonia, Bosnia,Montenegro, Croatia? Is there no problems to changing euros or using a credit cards for buying diesel, food and else
?
>
>Regards,
>Lina

Acel Palma G>
Thank you so much Chris ...I hardly open m,y facebook really how are you ...I will have THAI FOOD NIGHT.. hope you can come . take care !
21:02
Acel Palma Gallardo
heres info EASY THAI FOOD NIGHT.doc

ChriS SmiTH> Hiya Acel, where is that restaurant..
I might be in Bg that weekend,
let me know yr current phone number?



 
I wonder what happened to "plastic Red" (TRiin ity)

"OTHER stuff" ...

http://rednet-alien.blogspot.com/


REdNeT v F S G ; https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.468876886503771.102745.245954208796041&type=3

within / without frontier ; http://www.facebook.com/groups/215413685262424/
 

enjoy your day  x and birthday greetings from ; OUR CLUB  ; https://www.facebook.com/groups/152996974833540/

http://chrismithlog.blogspot.com/2012/06/essence-of-how-footballer-should-be.html


Luis Kisses the (other) hand of God? ;)


 







 


LINKS



www.facebook.com/groups/without.frontiers.ue

http://antichrismith.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-days-afterend-of-world-party.html

postcard from planet earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2yOr2QIsRQY


N E P A Kids https://www.facebook.com/groups/217326933861/

CSerS http://cser5.blogspot.com/2013/01/csers-13116-being-crazy.html


Monty blog